and killing the murderer will not bring that person back... using the metaphore u just did isnt really accurate... another one that is just as extreme but examples my arguement would b... if ur twin brother killed ur dog would u kill him?... or if ur twin brother was deeply depressed and accidently killed ur girlfriend without thinkin bout it would u kill him?

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If he tied her up raped her then killed her and burned the body to prevent persecution. YES.

People who are sentenced to death aren't there for jaywalking. lets keep the debate on the same level.

Yes but it does give closure to the famalies who were effected and to society... It also prevents repeat offending or basically repeat anything with no extra expenses or costs. Better yet, give me one thing that can be done with them. They can never leave prison. There is no use in rehabilitating them. They have to be guarded until they die. They have to be given medical care. What function do they serve society? Most of them are quickly forgotten until the day they die anyway so it is not a deterant.

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u see... i never said any petty crimes... i asked u.. if he killed her... or if he killed ur dog...


wat can u do with them? wow theres an easy question.. wat happened with slavery? they were worked non stop and paid very little... i say that happens to these ppl who deserve it... but they dont get paid...

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Dogs are not people. There's a HUGE difference.

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No, the death penalty is not the answer. It offers closure to the victims of the family and for the purpose of preventing re-offending, it does work very efficiently. However in many countries across the world it is a sacramental human right to be allowed to live. The murderer has violated this right for another person by taking away their life, however if a judge replies in turn, then an entire country is breaching a basic human right and founding principle of most democratic governments across the world. When someone commits such a crime, the answer is not to have the State commit the crime against that person. When a person does it its murder, when the State does it is called justice? In my opinion this is not right and the judiciary committing murder under the heading of “Justice” is utterly hypocritical of any self respecting criminal justice system.

Murder or execution, they’re the same thing and they’re both a final, irrefutable act of evil. But it can never be proven beyond all doubt that a person is guilty, that is why the bar of prosecution is “beyond reasonable doubt”; you can’t prove it further. However therein lie the doubt and the basic fault of the death penalty – it is irreversible. If it is found later through new evidence or new testimony that the convicted person was not in fact guilty, you can not bring them back. With a jail sentence, it is possible to do so. Let us not forget that the judiciary are not superhuman, they make mistakes just like the rest of us. Indeed the Jury is made up of twelve humans and mistakes can me made, often through social factors such as majority influence or conformity.

I think that is why so many people are hesitant of using or advocating the death penalty – once you’ve done it, you can’t change it. If you are wrong – and there is always room for doubt and mistake within any criminal case – then you can not change your mistake. An innocent person has been killed wrongly in the name of “justice” and it becomes nothing more than a State sponsored murder. The death penalty is wrong and should not be used.

However, the point concerning taxation being used to pay for guarding and house such criminals is a worthy one and one that I believe needs addressing. My own personal take on this is that criminals should be made to do supervised community service and thus generate revenue for the prison and have the prisons pay for themselves with extra State funding if needed. The costs wouldn’t disappear, but they would become far smaller. But let us not forget the tenancy of human rights that runs throughout any democratic process. Freedom is one of those, even in prison you have human rights, although they are somewhat reduced. Even in prison it is unacceptable to put people into forced labour – they must always be provided with a safe environment, food, shelter and clothing. This is not something that can be removed on a whim, they are basic principles that most free countries have supported for centuries.

However I feel the buck should stop there, a gym is perhaps acceptable in a prison; everyone needs recreation time or a prison would not be a safe environment; people would start to become unhealthy through a lack of exercise. But I do not believe a prison should provide anything more than food, warmth, shelter, clothing, recreation and knowledge of the outside world. The last one is particularly important because some day most criminals will probably be back amongst society. This can be seen particularly with the most recent directive within the European Union, prisoners have recently been given the right to vote in general elections and this directive must be enacted within the next 3 years in all EU countries.

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well said dios.. kudos to u... aretard.. ur forgetting the point of me saying that.. i clearly said "heres an example of how extreme ur statment is"... and how are dogs different from humans when it comes to life and death? dogs need just as much attention and stuff as we do.. and thats y theres the animal rights... dont think that just cuz dogs cant do everything we can that that makes them inferior



rio.. screw that.. dios for pres

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The criminal justice system has always had humans as it's first priority - yes, there are rights for dogs, but s'far as criminal law goes they are not as well protected.

I'd love to be President, however there are a couple of mitigating factors that I don't quite qualify for -

1) I'm not old enough
2) I'm not american

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I support Bert2 here. Strongly.

This insane liberalism, when prisoners are living better than many people in my country, went too far. When i see them protesting for better food, more rights and etc. it makes me feel sick. People are afraid to defend even - no one is sure here they won't be treated as criminals. Laws are defending bad behaviuor more and more. Childrens are growing monsters, now laws are defending them from any more strict nurture.

I don't believe in god and i do not have a thought "everyone has a right to live". Those who deserve it only. I'd never hurt any animal ever but i wouldn't find any problem being a hangman.

Talking about learning for those pretending for death penalty is a nonsence. As for any other violence-based criminals uzssually. I read newspapers. It's a miracle to find "judged before: 0 times". Same people are judged many times often making more and more seriuos crimes. What a nasty system.

Human raised himself somewhere a way too high.

False death penality is no rarer than killers escaping from prisons. Not to mention killers, that kill people after finishing their punishment.

I'd judge a persn who kicks a dog worse than a one for million dollars stolen.

Talking about presidents, i wouldn't like to be one. A dictator is what i prefer
more. "There will be order!" - as liked to say our famous ex-president eliminated for his black jobs

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The right to live is a founding tenancy of diplomacy and sovereignty. Yes Rukna you are correct, there are many people who re-offend. However there are also those who are convicted once and then do not re-offend because they find life as a prisoner unappealing and do not wish to be in that situation again. Laws are designed to protect the public, but at the same time we must not forget that prisoners are citizens of a country too. Any democratic government has a responsibility not only to the free citizens, but also to those being held in prison.

My belief that everyone has the right to live is not based on some vague notion of any "God". I am athiest in my beliefs, although I do conceed that something must have created everything - the entire arguement is a moot point because we just don't know. I feel everyone has the right to live because we are only here once, you do not get a second take. Now, if someone murders they remove someones right to live. Should the State then reply in turn? What is the difference between murdering someone in the street and then a government murdering someone by their own means?

There is no difference, it is all done in the name of "justice", but I see no justice in the execution of a wrong doer. Often it is based on each individuals perception of justice. That is why in France there is a "crime of passion" included within their laws. Often crimes - including murder - are committed in a moment of rage or depression based on a persons circumstances at the time. Thus to them, their actions seem just at the time. However in retrospect perhaps they are regretted.

The State of a nation that uses the death penalty sees it as justice to act as a common murderer and remove a persons life if they commit murder? The policy of a life for a life is not just, nor is it an intelligent policy. There is too much room for doubt or mistake for it to be logically included in any system of judiciary. Aside from that it is hypocritical - is the executioner then a murderer? No, he is acting in the name of justice and the State. However has he not just acted the same as the person from whom he has stripped a life? The execution is done knowingly, is planned with forethought and then enacted - is this not the same criteria needed in most democratic judiciaries to find someone guilty of murder rather than the lesser charge of manslaughter? It is, thus execution is not only wrong, it is impracticle and the double standards shown through using the death penalty sickens me far more than any form of corruption or "kicking a dog" ever could.

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