they shouldve finished the job the first time round

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yes they should have, they smashed the entire Iraqi army then stoped its rediculas

Then after they recieved little to no resistance and didn't think that maybe the army of Iraq was not as stupid as to sit and be destoryed....

They should have expected something like what has happened, but i don't honestly believe you could have predicted all this

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"I wonder if there wasn't any oil in Iraq. would anybody have gone to help the people of Iraq ?..... I mean.... I don't see any army's going to help the people of Zimbawe, and get rid of Robert Mugabe !!!.... and thats all i got to say about that."

I think that's more because of the situation in Zimbawe. Iraq can eventually be stabilised - you go to Zimbawe you're looking at solving their diplomatic and political corruption as well as curing problems such as disease, famine, starvation, poor living conditions and the likes. Iraq has infrastructure, thus if peace is found, not a grave amount of rebuilding need be done. However you go to Zimbawe, you find peace, then you hvae an entire country to build and an economy to organise.

Also, look at it in a larger picture - if you go to Zimbawe and do achieve those ideals, what is the rest of Africa going to think? Some parts of Africa are actually wealthy countries. For instance South Africa is very rich in gold. If you help the people of Zimbawe, the rest of Africa will expect the same treatment. It is diplomatically unreasonable and economically unfeasable to go over to Zimbawe and remove Robert Mugabe's government - however just or rightreous doing so might be or how much some countries might like to.

Now, onto Saddam;

I've outlined my views on the death penalty in another topic. I don't believe in it but I am not going to restate my points here; there's no need for it.

I do not think Saddam should have been executed. There is no doubt that he kept Iraq in order. His actions were hanus, appauling and disgusting, but he did keep Iraq in order. However now? Now there is car bombings, regular attacks on civilians and military personnel. I heard on the news today that the number of Americans killed in Iraq has risen above 3000 with the death of two American soldiers today. These events (as Abe so rightly states) were not happening while Saddam was in power. I'm not advocating his means, but Iraq was a less dangerous place to live under Saddam so long as you stayed on the right side of the State.

Speaking of the State, I think the New Iraqi Government were stupid to execute Saddam. They're just instituted an entirely new political system into their country, one that has not been greated so warmly by all of Iraq, nor all of the middle east. What harm could Saddam actually have done further to people? He would not be able to reclaim power, nor harm civilians ever again. All the Iraqi government have done in executing Saddam is create a martyr for his beliefs - a standard and a flag for those similar to rally around and fight in the name of.

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if saddam had gone to jail he wouldve been treated appaulingly he wouldve then gone(not literally) to the UN and complained that his human rights were being violated and wouldve either had his sentence reduced, been moved to a different prison or he wouldve been released it has happend anyone remember the thing with the drug addicts who complained that thier human rights were being breached because they werent allowed access to drugs

hes better off dead

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No one is better off dead... people are only as powerful as their followers, Saddam ordered these things, but people were willing to commit those orders, basic compassion could have removed saddam, you only needed one guy with a gun...

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well hes better dead than in prison since if he went to prison he wouldnt have been there for long but heck theyd probably have killed him in prison anyway

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Probably, but he would have had the chance to re-think etc... rehabilitation was always unlikely with Saddam. But to take his life the State is sinking to his level and creating a Martyr against their very principles. It wasn't a sound political move and it sure as hell wasn't smart in any way.

People convicted of war crimes are not allowed to appeal if I remember correctly - not against the way they are treated, their length of sentence or any other factor of their internship unless such an appeal is sponsored by another nationstate.

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they can appeal i think since they still r human and technically still have human rights unless u can classify them as no longer human once convicted of war crimes

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I'm sure there are conditions in place concerning valid applications under war crimes although I'm not 100% sure.

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alright abe ur missin the key point in ur post right after mine... no there wernt constant wars over there for the public eye to see.. there were mass exicutions... basically a war with 1 side dominating the other... watch a review on saddam hussein and u will see that he was killing hundreds of thousands of people for not reason.. it was genocide... this has been going on for years...


and ss u said hes better off dead... that was the worst possible thing that could have happened... in his followers eyes he was a hero... and by killing him they turned him into a legend... or god... legends never die.. now his ways will continue on until he turns into a myth and the idea dies out.. which will b a long time... the iraqi government just fucked themselves over

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