and for that point USA is pretty poor with, wow hey 500 years history

In response to this, there is one thing our history has better than any other country. We have the single longest lasting modern government anywhere. France for example has gone through about eight since the 1700's I believe. And Germany is a Coalition of political parties.

and the only natives the land have are called INDIANS and are put into small reservates like Hitler used to do with the jews, before he killed them....

We did do that early in our history, though they were finally recognized in American culture with respect in the early 1900's when they were used for coding messages in the war, fighting for the US giving them a tactical edge in battle. We did not treat them so badly to start, as we asked them to vote on leaving and either their people boycotted the vote, thus giving up any priviledge of voice in the situation, or their leaders opted for it on behalf of their people.

America is technically a British colony...or a EU colony

NO IT IS NOT!!!!! We rightfully won our independence in a war with Britain TWICE in order to prove our sovereignty among nations and BOTH times we KICKED YOUR ASS!!!!

Bush is an imperialistic dictator

If Bush, or any other president, or for that matter, any institution of the United States military, were imperialistic then how do you explain Japan, the Phillipines, Germany, France, Mexico, and many other countries still existing under sovereign governments? We GAVE back all terrirtories we won except for those in Texas, of which was a rebelling COUNTRY who opted for annexation BY THE UNITED STATES and the ensuing Mexican War was defensive as Mexican troops were first to open fire on the US troops.

usa cannot be the best because u rely on a small little island called the UK whenever u goto war

Really......how many British troops are currently deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan, or any other Middle Eastern country we are currently ridding of terrorists? You guys back us, yes, though the ratio of US soldiers to Bristish soldiers is astoundingly large, as compared to your statement's implications.

technically no the USA won its freedom.....
and we beat britain twice, cuz we wanted freedom
duh griffen

My thoughts exactly.

lol nback to my technology issues agian of course the americans r the best lets put it this way who created the first atomic bomb who created the telephone yes japan is ok in there tech but do they have it all over there country there are some pretty remote places in japan that dont even have electrcity and lets not even start with germany the allies have kiked ure a** twice so you cant say nothing

Well, Japan has all the technology there for one major reason. Their overall population's education level is astounding. Their one natural resource is people so they train/education is probably the best so they have a product to offer. For this reason most people/companies create a product idea, produce the actual product and send it to Japan for development and revision to make it better. On the atomic bomb, Germany was first to create, if we didnt steal their scientists and make it first.

1. Faking terrorist attacks

You did not just say that. Our government was attacked, as well as our biggest WORLD WIDE COMMERCIAL CENTER by our government. THINK ABOUT THAT!

2. Refusing to sign up to global environmental policies

We DID sign up to one for a while, though Bush stopped it. Why, you may ask. Because WE WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO WERE FORCED TO DO ANYTHING!!!!

4. Spending FAR too much on defense

Obviously, if we have terrorists able to sneak by us without even a second glance, then we must not be spending enough on defense. It was recently increased because THERE IS A WAR GOING ON! Imagine that.

-The 216 Tomahawk Cruise missiles fired by 19th Jan 1991 cost US$ 280 million. That is the same as thr total food aid to Ethiopia for 6 months.
- One tornado jet costs $21 million. This is Save the children's budget in Sudan for one year.
- The 5 Tornado jets shot down by 23rd January cost $105 million. That was enough to buy a month's food for the 20 million Africans likely to starve that year.

1) There was a war going on then.
2) What difference does it make what money we send to a thrid world country for aid if the ones who need it DONT GET IT!? The governments wont allow what we already ship them to get out of the docks, and what does is confiscated by the reigning governments.

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We all know the PATRIOT act is completely against the principles of American democracy and any true patriot would fight it.)

I cannot believe you said that MinderBinder. For those who do not know, the Patriot Act was a bill passed long ago, and soon after discontinued where in wartime in order to get an arrest warrant there needs to be only one, instead of three, signing judiciaries upon the warrant. THIS IS NOT AGAINST DEMOCRATIC BELIEF since it still requires the approvel of a judge that was appointed by an elected official, and approved by a council of elected representatives. Also, in the time this act has been around there has been ONE arrest using it. This arrest was for someone blatantly admitting he wanted to do harm to the US.

oh and Hope ur damn right bout the Kyoto treaty, not only is the world most wasteful nation not participating, the bush administration has actually loosened the regulations found in the clean air and water acts. Even China is makin steps in the right direction while we are goin backwards...

As I mentioned above, the only environmentalist act proposed for a vote was one specifically forcing US to change and NO OTHER PARTICIPATING NATION. As such, it is understandable why they would reject it. As for loosening the current regulations, it is to allow for companies to recover from a recession we are finally pulling out of, so you can expect regulations to be made stricter in the next few years. China is making progress because they only have to worry about population waste managment, as they have so many people to provide jobs for, they do not mechanize their industry as much as other economically sound nations, like the US, UK, and Germany, and so a change in that direction is MUCH easier for them to accomodate than heavily industrialized nations.

Why haven't they caught Ossama yet then......because basically he was the one responisble. Just becuase Bush has anger issues and has to war monger against others doesn't mean that he can just hit the next country he hates most. If it was that way then eventually he would be attacking the whole world because Poboby Nerfect

Osama happened to slip through our fingers. We bombed every suspected area for his location, and he disappeared from the media making us believe he had been killed in one of the attacks, so we moved on to our next biggest threat to peace, as he had been so for many years, Saddam. Bush cannot declare war on any nation until Congress approves a move of such aggression unless martial law is declared, which is onyl allowed in a state of emergency and national danger, and must also make it through Congress.

the US is supposed to worry about the US before like Serbia or anybody else

Yes, a government's first concern is its own people. However, there are too many "selfless" individuals who petition for this charity and that charity, so to appease them and keep the home group satisfied we contribute to those countries, though this question comes to mind.....If all current superpowers did it, why dont they? It IS possible, you just need to achieve it. The US is founded on the belief that all men were created equal. If so, why do we need to give so much damn charity to all other countries? It is almost a disgrace to them as it is putting us above them socially through economics, making us the givers and them the helpless. I think charity is good, but there is no replacement for self-sufficiency.

Having a huge military industrial complex is a bad thing, do you realize that boeing is becoming more of a military contractor like lockheed than a civilian one like airbus. This makes our economy more dependent on war, while other nations move toward peace we move toward war.

No it does not. Boeing is now producing more military planes because civilian planes are running fine, but military technology becomes outdated VERY quickly, and needs to be advanced often. The military also offers more money for new craft. Who is going to buy a commercialized C-5 Galaxy when a 747 does just fine? Wasteful expenses by civilian transport purchases for the newest planes would cause ticket prices to go up beyond the already high price. All successful companies of today have learned that morales are good, but only money keeps a business alive.

lol, by the way ancients, US is about 900 billion dollars in debt, just so you know

900 billion??? not a chance we're bout 7 trillion in debt and it goes up half a trillion every year, WE WISH WE WERE 900 BILLION IN DEBT

my bad, 7.6 trillion actually Ive found a website on it

That is under 10% of our nation's national gross income. Most Americans have FAR more debt than that proportionally to their income, and if we wanted to pay off the debt we could do it in less than one year, but it would cause major cuts in important funding areas, such as defense, so we avoid drastic fluctuations and just allow the debt to pile up.

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Sorry. Took me a while to read all I missed, and also took two posts to say my piece in those things I read.

Go ahead. Im ready to be flamed back

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And an addition... the 7.6 trillion dollars the US is in debt is...
-Not referring to people's debts
-Referring to deficits caused by the government
And, most importantly....
-It refers to the nations debt to itself, caused by the nations deficit... the United States doesn't owe other countries that much, it owes itself that much...

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One thing I don't understand is why, after the Twin Towers were destroyed, there has been no other major terrorist attack. Yes, there have been the occasional ones such as ones aimed at the night club in Bali and a UK bank, but to eb honest...how can we be sure if we have overestimated Al Quadia? If I were Osama Bin-Ladin, I would place terrorist operatives at key points in countries...and attack simultaneously. But there has been no such action, just normal terrorist attacks that other, more local terrorist groups have claimed responsibility to. How do we know that we haven't already destroyed most of Al Quadia's threat?

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i have to argee with Mal Ganis people say Bush is a bad president but thats only because a lot of people are atheist and hate him because hes christian and anyways sadly enough US is the most hated country but only because its the best, y else would it be hated, well cause every1 is jealous. and the about the pentagon being faked? thats a load of S***. u would have to be a nut case to believe something incredible as that, thats like saying saddam hussien was a good man, totally untrue. and just because we went to war doesnt mean we are "war mongers" we took the fight to the enemy, i can say for a fact if we just sat around and done nothing that terrorist would have attacked us again. Becasue we went to afganistand, it showed the terrorists and countries that habour them that we will not put up with bombings and stuff.

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by the way isnt it funny how arguements shift so easily?

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I could write a huge ass rebuttal to each of those, and then youd probably write one back, and so on and so forth. But its 11:30 on Christmas eve, and Id much rather jam out to some tunes and kick some ass on both Ghost Recon 2 and Halo 2. Overall half the country agrees with me and half with you, I see shades of gray between right and wrong, I recognize that debt is debt, if the US government owes its citizens 4 trillion of 7.6 thats still 4 trillion not being invested in the economy, still 4 trillion that were are going to be taxed to pay for. That 7.6 trillion is not 10% of the GDP, its nearly 69 percent. The arguement can go on forever, but all it will do is piss a lot of people off, and leave us back at square one. Im willing to agree to disagree on how this country should be run, as long as we agree its the best. Ill continue to argue with anyone who wants me too, god knows I spend half f every school day in one. I have to deal with people who actually believe cutting down trees is good for the forest, but its a lot less time consuming in person. But in the end thats what makes America great, if we didnt question the government, if we didnt debate amongst ourselves we might as well live in a one party state.

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Here we go again...

To be honest, I respect and support the US/UK decision to attack Iraq/Afghanistan. They were, after all, governments that tortured ordinary citizens and almost definitely supported Terrorist groups. Who knows? Maybe Saddam and Osama are watching porn in a cave somewhere in Northern Iraq?
But there is just one little thing I can't get out of my mind. The terrorist effectiveness...and our ability to combat it. It is extremely difficult to smoke out a terrorist after all.
All that is now needed is for the UN to realize the terrorist threat and authorize members to combat it. Simple.

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Afghanistan was a huge terrorist haven and still is, because we didnt do the job right, Iraq has been proven to not have had dealings with terrorists and afterall he claimed that if we invaded in the first gulf war, that hed unleash terrorism upon the world, it didnt happen, because he didnt have connections and most terrorists hated him for leading a secular government. Which is the reason Carter and then Reagan were in bed with him right up until Kuwait was invaded and George Sr. stepped in. We saw the same thing this time, he claimed if we crossed an invisible line hed used wmd, he didnt because he didnt have them. We called his bluff both times. The UN does need to do something, preferably get the cooperation of supposed harboring nations and the US can lead an economic coalition of itself, Britain, Japan, Russia (somewhat), Saudi Arabia (somewhat), and even China to accomplish its goals. Problem is we lose credibility when a sizable portion of the country wants the US out of the UN. Leaving the leading diplomatic association is not the best way to gain cooperation and if any american thinks that we should get out so we can act independently, well thats idiotic and asking for Americans to die. We can economically get a country to reform, or we can invade with a force composed 90% or more by Americans and have a lot of dead bodies come home and spend a few hundred billion dollars in the process. Terrorism isnt some uncombatable force as Bush made it sound when he said the war wasnt winnable (he later added in a conventional sense), its a very delicate thing. Enlist a few key nations and travel becomes impossible, maybe give a nation econimc benefits to get rid of terrorists within its borders and whadya know the world is safer.

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