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Proffessor aint got no more turrents on dat planet no more

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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i was hoping he had more

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Humm. 18 turrets killed, 10 fighters killed.

Cost to me = 180 minutes building time. 20k uranium ammo. 720k silicon. 144k gold. 144k iron. Value of resources at current market prices = 8 + 342+ 58 + 49 credits = 439 credits.

Cost to attacker = 70k energy + 80k silicon + 5k gold + 10k iron (assuming minimum volume ships since they do not have to fly much to get to battle zone) + minimal time. Value of resources at current market prices = 45 + 36 + 2+ 4 = 85 credits.

Thus, assuming these were not trained fighters attacking, and using minimum volume ships, the cost to attacker is much lower than cost to defender. Annoying. Something is not in balance here. Attack strength appears to be far to weak based on this analysis.

If these were trained fighters, then cost is higher. Training via transport would be 4 transports of 50k S, 1k I, 3k G per ship. So, total cost is 200k S, 4k I, 12k G extra or 97 credits equivalent per ship in value. So, if trained transports attacking, then cost for ten fighter attack would be 970 credits plus 85 credits, or 1050 credits. So, very expensive.

My guess is that the attack involved a few trained fighters and mostly untrained fighters, as five trained fighters should have been able to take out 18 turrets based on my calculations, but it should have required about 35 untrained fighters to take out 18 turrets.

Even so, the TIME required to build the turrets also needs to be factored in as a consideration. It is much faster to train fighters with four attacks on 50k transports, plus some points as well, than it takes to build turrets on a planet.

As a report, therefore, on my personal experience in this regard, I agree with Cydonia that turrets are underpowered in firepower. I do not think they should be dramatically increased in power, but a modest increase in power shifting the cost in favor of the defender (since time cost is in the favor of the attacker, and the points are in the favor of the attacker -- ship training gives you points for resources spent, which turret building does not give you). Thus, I would agree that some increase in turret firepower is needed to make them worth having.

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As for having more, I spent all the free time I could spare on building these. I thought getting to 18 turrets was pretty good. But, it was obviously not good enough. I do have real life to deal with as well, and unless there is no time cost of building turrets (which I think is a bad idea for various reasons), then fighters attacking will always have the advantage in that more than one player can attack, at a time of their choice, and with low cost in time investment for attacking.

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i used one maxed out fighter

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i used 9 or 10 completly untrains

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prof how long did it take u to work that out lol im confused just reading it lol

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I worked it out while I was typing it, in my head. Nine or ten untrained fighters was very bad, as it meant that there was a bug in the defense of turrets. Iiridayn found it and fixed it, and we now have turrets working correctly. However, as Filas has pointed out, the strength of attack of turrets is still probably too low. I accept that criticism. I tried to make turrets cost to kill about the same as the cost to build, but I made them slightly weaker than the should be. Part of the reason is I was assuming (incorrectly) that silicon prices might remain in the 30 price per unit range, or about half the cost of energy. WRONG!

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LOL aand rick look at the name its a clue professor


you get the picture

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yes liam i asked how long it took him and now i know that not very long post toasty and shush lol

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um... no lighten up and have some

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